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TIN BUTT 500 9/20 from Wagner Motorsports in Worcester |
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The new manager at Wagner has agreed to host the Tin Butt 500 on Saturday September 20th. The event means getting to Wagner around 5:30 for an odometer check
and pick up the route sheets and bonus locations/answer sheets. Wagner will provide coffee & donuts. Bikes off at 6:00 a.m. for 500 mile tour on MA, NH, VT
and NY before returning to Wagner before 6:00 p.m. to finish within the 12 hour event. Prizes will be awarded consisting of gift certificates from our local
BMW dealerships. Wagner will feed us with burgers and hot dogs on your return. Jay Hassett new manager at Wagner would certainly like to see a big turnout -
and we are working to have TJ Inman stop by at the finish if his health permits. I will be providing a card for everyone to sign for TJ to let him know he is
in our thoughts and the BMW community recognizes his long time support for our hobby and passion. Everyone planning to attend please post here so I can let Jay
know how many riders to expect.
Last Edited By: Roadster Pilot 08/22/08 8:12 PM.
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Roadster Pilot |
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Edit because someone (thank you) fixed my goof.
Last Edited By: Roadster Pilot 08/22/08 8:11 PM.
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rblethen |
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william i will see you there4 if i can get the time off. this year in a riding capacity. robert blethen.
it is a great life if you don't weaken.
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ben795 |
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Bill,
I will be there. I did hope the date would work with my "not too damn busy" schedule.. Thanks, Shawn |
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brianbmw |
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I'm hoping to make it too. Is the route mostly highway?
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ybrider |
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Hopefully not.
MarkG
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Roadster Pilot |
No the route is mostly back roads thru NH, VT and NY | #6 | ||
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Naturally there is a small part of slab to get you there, but highways are not the idea.
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philbromwich |
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coumt me in. phil foster
amd thank you for doing the leg work |
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johnny2step |
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William:
Appreciate your efforts to continue this ride. Luckily I have that Sat. off. Now I've got to get to work on my wife (why I need to do this, why it won't kill me, how I will make it up to her, yada, yada) . At least I've got three weeks to do that! So God willing I'll be there. I know Gunther (my k75rt) is champing at the bit. Very sorry to hear that TJ is ill. Hadn't heard about that. Steve |
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Blast5 |
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Myself and son Bryan will be there.
Should send out route sheets day or two ahead of time though. 12 hrs ain't much for collecting bonuses AND 500mile minimum. Add routing on top of that and it is asking alot. You will get more of a turnout if it is a ride instead of a race. JMHO Bill
Bill K.
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ybrider |
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What Bill said.
Oh yeah, count me in too - got the time free... wife will take little one to soccer practice that day...
MarkG
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bcusack |
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I to would like to see the route beforhand
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Roadster Pilot |
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OK, not a problem, but what I have in mind is kinda what Rob Nye does for the MinuteMan 1000, post the route just a couple of days before the ride, but if the
consensus is otherwise I will do whatever you want. I have route maps that I could also scan and e-mail to those willing to provide their e-mail addresses.
How do you guys want to do this?
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Blast5 |
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Email is fine.
Difference with Minuteman 1000 is you can go for the 1K OR bonus point. You have stated that the 500 is minimum and collecting bonus AND 500mile minimum is a tall order unless you want to do all slab....no fun in that. So at least with the bonus pack out a little earlier than 5:30 am, it might give a little more of a grace period to finish with a ride that qualfies and still be able to hit some secondary roads. I am not criticizing your efforts, in fact , I offered to assist back in June, it is that I have run in a couple of 12 hr rallys where even some top notch iron butt riders have only been able to turn in 450 miles and collect bonus sites. http://hml771co.ipower.co...dyrally/results2007.shtml is one example...some of those names might be familiar to you. IF you still want some assistance contact me off list at tnt720 at verizon.net
Bill K.
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Roadster Pilot |
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If anyone who wants the route will send me their e-mail, here or to harris_law@comcast.net I will scan the route
sheets and e-mail the route to you. All of the bonus locations are going to be just a few minutes off the route, but you talented riders will be free to run
whatever route you like. None of the bonus locations are required - they are bonus points to allow the more competitive to place for the gift certificates,
etc. I think every rider got something last year - even if it was just a T shirt.
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johnny2step |
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Bill K's post got me to thinking....500m in 12 hr on back roads, many of them unfamiliar, is a lot to handle. But we won't actually have
12hr...subtract 1hr for eating, restroom, map reading, stop signs, etc, and finishing within the time limit means a minimum avg. speed of 45mph. Subtract 1.5hr
(more realistic), and that minimum avg speed goes up to 47.5mph... on a route that is mostly back roads.
Last year there was a shorter route available, and tho no one took it, 2 of the 9 participants DNF within the time limit. We're hoping for a larger turnout this year, why not put in the shorter route? When road bicycling clubs hold their "century" rides (100m), they always offer a metric century route (100km) that travels many of the same roads. It's been my experience in that sport that many riders don't make up their minds which route to take--long or short--until the morning of the event. Depends how they feel, the weather, their other obligations, etc. I respect the idea of 500m in 12 hr. It's heroic. Maybe it's a bit too heroic for some of us. So let me be the first to publicly say, I'd appreciate a less Hemingwayesque option. Give the glory and the prizes to the 500 milers, but leave the door open for those who just aren't going to be able ,for whatever reason, to chew that many miles in under 12 hours. BTW...the shorter route will make participation a much easier sell at home for those of us who are married and have young children at home. Respectfully, Steve K75RT |
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Zauberberg |
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I'll be there as well.
I remember a TB500 ending at the Colonial in Bellingham that just totaled your points. As long as you had the 500mi within 12 hours (and that's the point after all) you qualified, and the winners were determined only by adding all their points. No extra points for coming in sooner, or having any more than 500 miles. A few points for receipts in certain towns (my credit card company called me the night after two TB's alerting me to 'suspicious activity'), maybe a picture, a brochure. Otherwise it's just a race. How about points for: Coffee (or something) at Tozier's Restaurant, in Bethel, VT; A clam roll (or something) at Woodmans of Essex, MA; A gift (or something) for the SO from the Hogback Mountain gift shop atop the Molly Stark Trail in VT; A toll from the Mt. Hope Bridge, Newport RI; A Canadian Passport stamp A brochure from the Wheatleigh, in Lexox MA; A receipt from a dry cleaners in Marlboro, MA That last one is more of an errand that I need to run, but you get the idea. Larry
Larry Goldberg
1999 R1100RT (Marsha) 2003 F650GS (Jan) 2004 Aprilia Scarabeo 150 (Cindy - sold) |
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Roadster Pilot |
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You will see from the route sheets a natural "short cut" that results in a 350 mile route - very doable, but you are certainly out of the points and
would not make many of the bonus locations. This 350 route will be explained in the route sheets which I will e-mail and post to this thread.
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Roadster Pilot |
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The file is too big for your e-mail box at 15 pages of PDF. Will keep trying. I will scan the map in small sections.
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There I go dating myself!
The point being I am too cheap to pay for
an application to convert PDF to JPEG so I used this app I found via Goggle in 10 seconds. See how this works.
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