How long do your brake pads last? I ride a R1200ST. It has 16K miles on it and the pads still look great. I thought they would be wearing by now.
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Posts: 203 07/25/08 1:04 PM |
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Posts: 1043 07/25/08 2:31 PM |
Brian, The fronts last a good long time, but watch carefully out back. Some guys loose them in 10k miles. Better to check to often than to not check and
wreck the disc.
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Posts: 203 07/25/08 3:38 PM |
Hey Bob, i also posted this on the bmwsporttouring site and people there also say they last a long time. I was just suprised to see them still looking so
good. I'll keep an eye on them but it looks like i'm good to go for a while longer.
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Posts: 164 07/26/08 10:08 AM |
Contrary to Bob Ain't, I had to replace my fronts at 30K, but backs still have plenty left. (Mine is not a Beemer).
I suspect that, like tires, if employed as they should be, front and back pads should wear at same rates and all need replacement at same time. . . . just my guess . . . not a professional opinion. One thing is sure, the faster one rides, the more one needs to brake hard and the more frequent is the need for replacement. I have resolved to use my back more . . . especially when entering corners . . . to stabilize bike. I am raising my brake pedal to encourage more use of rear by me. Goal is to have all wear equally. Anything wrong with my thinking . . .anyone? 
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Posts: 1241 07/26/08 11:14 AM Administrator |
With traditional brakes I would agree, but with integrated brakes- my 04GS has the whizzy ones, I go thru rear pads about every 15000 miles, the fronts lasted
55,000. And I use the front every braking event.
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Posts: 381 07/28/08 9:15 AM Member |
John,
Using your rear brake in the corner will un-weight the front tire and you will have less traction on the front. Not a good thing if your going in too hot.
Maurice
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Posts: 1043 07/28/08 11:49 AM |
Yes, John. I have advice for you.
DO NOT LOCK UP THE BACK TIRE |
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Posts: 164 07/29/08 8:12 AM |
OK, youse guys.
I agree that locking up the back tire can have extremely unpleasant consequences and should be avoided except possibly when involved in a straight-ahead panic stop when, if I am not mistaken, that is the recommended action - slam it and lock it. Am I wrong on this? (Unless, of course, one has ABS - then you trust even more in more technology.) With respect to the effect of lessening the load on the front tire, I agree that is a consequence of applying SOME rear brake when entering a corner hot. I stress some rear braking only. But, mindful of the 100% maximum traction concept, doesn't SOME decrease of front tire load (with less of its use for braking) leave more available traction capacity for leaning/turning? HUH? HUH? HUH? I agree that the greater the downward load, the greater the traction, but in achieving downward thrust though braking, doesn't one sacrifice some capacity that might otherwise be used and needed for the leaning required when turning? HUH? HUH? HUH? As in all things in life (except possible for sex) isn't it a question of moderation? Decreasing use of both brakes as one enters a corner . . . the trail braking concept? Is anyone else getting a headache from all this?
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Posts: 238 07/29/08 5:24 PM |
trailo braking is an excepted practice on the track but with the front brake which unloads the rear tire
it is a great life if you don't weaken.
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Posts: 381 07/29/08 9:36 PM Member |
John,
Might I suggest that this discussion be further enhanced with Ken Condon this weekend at Heath. Be there!
Maurice
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Posts: 1289 07/29/08 10:03 PM |
Whenever a vehicle decelerates, it will load forward. Back brake or front brake, it doesn't matter, the bike will put weight on the front tire. Of course,
the front brake, being used while this load is increasing, will have more grip and load the front tire even more.That's why the front brake has over 80% of
the stopping power on a typical motorcycle. The rear brake, on the other hand, will "unload" as the bike is slowing down and ultimately have so
little weight on the rear tire that it will skid. Now if this all happens while you are leaned over in a turn, things get real interesting. Especially when
that rear tire totally unloads and then instantaneously reloads when the braking action stops and the bike slams back down on a fully locked rear
tire..................Bike immediately stands up, and you go flying. Of course, all of this happens to the extreme if you have extremely good traction, like
racing slicks on a real grippy race track surface. (see last Sundays Laguna Seca MotoGP race) But it can happen just as easily on a country road.
Extreme light use of brakes in corners (or ABS) is your friend.............
RoyB
2007 Suzuki DL650 V Strom (ABS) 2004 BMW R1150R Rockster (ABS) 2004 Honda VFR Stealth Black (ABS) 2002 Mv Agusta F4 2001 Moto Guzzi Ross Mandello 1972 Honda Trail 90 |
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Posts: 1289 07/29/08 10:06 PM |
From WIKPEDIA
Trail braking is a motorcycle riding and driving technique where the brakes are used beyond the entrance to a turn and are gradually released up to the point of apex. This technique is commonly used when racing, but can enhance control and add more evasive options for street riders making it very worthwhile to learn or at least understand. Be aware though that excessive trail braking can result in a loss of grip as the tire's adhesion is split between braking and cornering forces. It will also noticeably affect the motorcycle behaviour (as in handling). Should the surface traction be unexpectedly impaired, possibly by oil or fuel spills, a crash is utterly unavoidable.
RoyB
2007 Suzuki DL650 V Strom (ABS) 2004 BMW R1150R Rockster (ABS) 2004 Honda VFR Stealth Black (ABS) 2002 Mv Agusta F4 2001 Moto Guzzi Ross Mandello 1972 Honda Trail 90 |
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Posts: 1289 07/29/08 10:15 PM |
Eddie Lawson shows us how to do it..................
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7X08zELY-lo&feature=related
RoyB
2007 Suzuki DL650 V Strom (ABS) 2004 BMW R1150R Rockster (ABS) 2004 Honda VFR Stealth Black (ABS) 2002 Mv Agusta F4 2001 Moto Guzzi Ross Mandello 1972 Honda Trail 90 |
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Posts: 270 07/30/08 5:56 AM |
Sounds like a good topic to ask Ken Condon about at this years DY. Though a lot of people know and understand the techniques for braking and available
traction Ken is a teacher of them. In the past he has explained stuff so even I could understand it.
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Posts: 164 07/30/08 7:35 AM |
All good stuff.
I will certainly be at DY and let's collectively ask Ken Condon to stir the pot further.
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